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Massive
executions, tortures, and violence of peaceful inhabitants are
traces of Russism of Russia of 20th and beginning of 21st century
on Chechen land. In
the photo are civilian men and women shot dead by Russian
occupant-terroristic formations. Vakha,
32, was arrested by Russians at a check-point, where he was taken
into a ditch and beaten. He was found in a hole by the side of the
road by some children, whose parents brought him to the hospital.
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31.10.2001
Theme: Something Funny From Putin and Are They Thanking USA Yet
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One finds it indeed laughable that Putin intends to send 250,000 troops to aid
Afghanistan's Norther Alliance when only last month he was complaining about the
declining male population in Russia and the fact that the average male Russian
lives only 47.2 years. The fact that Russian men are fast meeting their end to
endemic AIDs, alcohol, drugs, poverty and foreign wars is further aggravated by
the deaths of over 22,000 Russians in the past 2 years alone who now fill
shallow graves in Chechnya, a land where they don't belong. In Afghanistan,
Russians lost well over 120,000 men and over 72,000 remain physically
incapicated due to their injuries or fill the corridors of mental hospitals. To
entice another 250,000 poor fools to meet their end Putin will either have to
forcibly conscript or simply kidnap young men who would sooner die than go to
Afghanistan where the remains of their fathers and grandfathers remain scattered.
It is unusual that now the Americans too want to gamb! le away the lives of
their men, most of whom do not even know or care where Afghanistan is, let alone
Asia on the map. Many innocents have died sad and horrible deaths in Afghanistan
due to the Allied bombings and sadly, as before when the Russians polluted
Afghanistan, the only people who are being slaughtered are the tiny
children,
women and old men. Does Bush seriously think that after destroying almost an
entire family the survivors will pick up those pathetic yellow food parcels and
say "thank you America" ?
tnghaznavi, USA
E-mail: tnghaznavi@yahoo.com
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31.10.2001
Theme: america the big bully
america is a bully plain and simple.....and every nation that supports
america is america's bitch....how can american politicians and others condemn
the taliban rule, when america treated its black population the same and lets
not speak about the native americans.america still treats its minorities like
trash racial profiles and police brutality runs amok... lets talk about
america's policies....double standards nuff said..ignoring russia's terror
techniques in chechnya....oh mr bush you speak like a cowboy but you are nothing
but a tyrant.....and mr blair i see a motive behind you and bush so chummy to
take over the world to impose your ideals on those who wish to live their lives
the way they want to ..oh but do you feel ashamed for what your forefathers did
in your colonies the zulus do you remember them do you remember what you people
started........do you.....it is time to remove your air power from the skies of
iraq and afganistan it is time for you to let the world be.!
the wolf, usa
E-mail: sturmtruppen@iwon.co
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30.10.2001
Theme: More predictions Yet
With the New Yorker and The Daily Telegraph now supporting our earlier reports
on the US/Israeli team preparing for an incursion into Pakistan to remove or
destroy its nuclear missiles and silos and possibly its nuclear programme we now
report the following. In an effort to distract the Pakistani government's
attention from the real intent of the Allied efforts to defang Pakistan's
nuclear capabilities, to matters of provincial and civil unrest, a series of
bombing campaings and randoms acts of violence are planned with the aid of the
Indian Secret Service ISI in the next two weeks. The most troubling
targets are the various Afghan refugee camps in and about Peshawar where
bombings and drive-by-shootings are planned. Other targets include both Shia and
Sunni Mosques in Karachi, Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Islamabad, Churches in
Karachi and Lahore, local and vegetable markets of Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi
and Peshawar. Attacks on certain foreign embassies. Further a major ground
attack on Mazar-i-Sharif by the Northern Alliance and Allied forces is to be
preceded by stationing Northern Alliance posts on all roads leading from and
linking Pakistan to Khost, Ghazni, Kandahar and Jalalabad. Attack on Kabul will
be simultaneous with the! attack on Mazar-i-Sharif and Jalalabad. Allied
informers have been placed in Peshawar and Quetta to gauge the movement of
tribes loyal to the Pushtoons. Allied Bombers are to focus their campaign in and
around these cities prior to the attack. Allied battalions will be placed near
Balouchistan and the Iran Pakistan border. It is also reported that minor
attacks or 'accidental' bombings are also planned for some Iranian villages to
analyze the Iranian response. Baghdad will be bombed as a warning on the 5th or
the 6th. It has also been reported that the only Allied troops to be placed in
the front lines will be British units. American rangers and commandos will
follow closely behind. Japan is due to send two war ships to meet with the US
fleet docked currently off Karachi. A number of Russian mercernaries have joined
the Northern Alliance many only seeking revenge for the past humiliation. To all
this a 75 year old grizzled Taliban simply commented, "why don't they fight
like ! men and come down from their planes...we are waiting for them".
Muslim Group of the Netherlands, Netherlands
E-mail: Muslimthinktank@ttank.co.uk
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30.10.2001
Theme: Fatwa
Just to clear up a question - can _any_ Muslim issue a Fatwa and / or call for a
Jihad or can these only be issued by religious leaders or Muslims with special
training or education? Sorry if this sounds naive, but a quick answer would be
very helpful. THANKS!
Paula
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29.10.2001
Theme: Our Predictions coming
true. US & Israel planning to forcibly remove Pakistan's Nukes
Our predictions were acurate and are coming true as you read this. The following
news was reported by the Daily Telegraph in the UK, the link and text if the
report are provided below: http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
news/2001/10/29/war129.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/10/29/ixhome.html
US special unit 'stands by to steal atomic warheads' By Ben Fenton (Filed:
29/10/2001) AN elite American military unit is preparing for possible incursion
into Pakistan in order to steal its nuclear weapons arsenal, it is reported
today. The special forces unit is training with Israel's most trusted
anti-terrorist unit, and would be called into action in the event that Gen
Pervaiz Musharraf lost power in Pakistan, the New Yorker magazine said. The CIA
believes that Pakistani army officers sympathetic to the Taliban could pose a
threat to Gen Musharraf, and that some of the country's estimated 24 nuclear
warheads could be stolen by renegades within Pakistan's intelligence service,
the ISI. Seymour Hersch, a journalist whose reporting on the post-September 11
crisis has been broadly accurate so far, said that members of Israel's Unit 262,
or Sayeret Matkal, came to America soon after the attacks and have been training
with Pentagon special forces. Mr Hersch quoted a "senior military officer"
as confirming that intense planning was going on for the "exfiltration"
- theft - of warheads. But there are doubts about whether the CIA - or any other
intelligence agency - knows the exact location of Pakistan's warheads, which
were first tested, to the surprise of American intelligence agencies, in 1998.
The fear that Gen Musharraf could lose control of the country and some or all of
the warheads is based on the close links between the ISI and the Taliban. Last
week, the Pakistani president dismissed such concerns. "We have an
excellent command-and-control system which we have evolved, and there is no
question of their falling into the hands of any fundamentalists," Gen
Musharraf said. Pakistan is thought to have a number of intermediate-range
missiles to carry its warheads as well as using F-16 fighter-bombers. There are
a number of possible targets for the use of these weapons by renegades
sympathetic to the Islamic extremists in Afghanistan. These include India,
itself a nuclear power, or the four American aircraft carriers and British
vessels currently cruising off Pakistan's coastline as bases for air and
commando attacks on the Taliban and al-Qa'eda.
Muslim Group of the Netherlands, Netherlands
E-mail: Muslimthinktank@ttank.co.uk
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29.10.2001
Theme: Humans,Human and Human
Alsalamu Alaikum my fellow Humans.... Capitalist war on Islam is bogged down
;-)... i just cant stop laughing at how when the terrorism started against the
people of Afghnaistan the Capitalist terrorists were prediciting the Taleban to
fall and mass defection , a couple days latter there were planning a new 'democratic'
government for Afghanistan...now they're back to square one and they know now
that the Afghans are an old enemy, the enemy they fear soo much ,ISLAM,this is
no yugoslavia..where u bomb and they give up in a matter of weeks..no this is
ISLAM were no matter how long u bomb it will not change a thing on the
ground...for giving up would be like betraying the TRUTH..nope the capitalists r
fearful that they would need to send in their Terrorist Special Forces (also
known as OMON,Rapist, GRU,Thief,SAS & SBS,ALpha Group,Baby killer and Mafia
etc...) and now the Taliban are openly mocking the Capitalist to send there
troops in...i read an interview with their ambasador who said they should send
100,000 ...hehee Osama Bin Laden and his Group are all ready and waiting for
this moment..its a known fact that Osama wanted to be martyred in the war
against the soviets and now he gets a chance against the Capitalist..needless to
say i am sure he is gonna make them suffer!!! and this bombing of the red cross
for the second time was also a deliberate act...they bombed so the Afghans are
forced to eat the food the $americansЈ drop to brainwash the people into
thinking the americans r feeding them and helping them...PsyOps(psychological
warfare) $american$ style.. p.s one question..who is this other person using the
Human pseudonym...we are all Humans....but lets not get confused here....i am
Human and i begin all my letters with 'Alsalamu Alaikum my fellow Humans'...inshaALLAH
i have clarified matters... p.s isn't it funny how $McDonalds$ always attacks
the richest and powerfulest countries...par example since the end of WW2 america
has terrorised Korea,Vietnam(not forgetting their plot with the french to drop 3
nuclear bombs to save the french indo-china COLONY!),
Loas,Cambodia,Zaire,Peru,Chile,Nicuragua,Grenada(a massive country with a huge
army!;-), Panama,Colombia,Angola,Sudan,Iraq,Somalia, Iran,
Lebnaon....etc
etc..tell me is there something wrong with the world or something wrong with 'Hollywood'..oooh
sorry i meant usa... Masalama
Human
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28.10.2001
Theme: how close have you came
to Allah today?
Dear brothers and sisters all over the world, Aslamalikum, may peace be upon you.
On this sad day, which is the day 20 of the bombing of our brothers and sisters
in Afghanistan by the america and her allies. My heart breaks when i see what is
happening to our people. We were once a strong, rich, and proud nation, a thorn
in british invasion, the russian invasion, and inshallah history will repeat
very soon with help of Allmighty. Secondly, dear brother and sisters most
of us have forggoten our duty and obligation as a muslim. Our obligation
are simply to pray five times salat, give ZAkat, Haj,saum. Our duty as Muslims
are to rise up to the ayat of Koran which more less states, we are the best of
nations ever raised, we enjoy good and forbid evil. Brother and sisters this is
where we lacking, in our duty. We must convey the message Of Allah within our
family then our neighbours, we must struggle and support whomever is working in
the Path of Allah and co-operate with each ot! her. Everyday we should take
stock of our actions and ask ourselves wehter those action pleased Allah or
brought the wrath of Allah. If muslims recognise this duty Allah's Nasar will
surley come to the muslims suffering opppresion of the kuffirs everywhere and
will grant us victory in this world and most importantly in the Hereafter. So
remember deaht and day of judgement often. Sorry about my poor spelling, iam
writting this from the comfort of my room at 12 pm; while many of our brothers
and sisters Allah knows what their conditons are. Finally please don't forget to
make Dua for the mujihideens in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir and Palestine.
May Allah reward and guide us and bless and give ajar to the people who run and
support this site.
shams nazif, New zealand
E-mail: oneafghanibro@hotamil.com
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28.10.2001
Theme: Important Information
and The Real Prize for the Allied Forces
Without going into details, based upon inside information and upon careful
analysis of the recent developments in Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan and Saudi
Arabia we conclude the following: 1. The real intent for the Allied foray into
Afghanistan was never Osama Bin Laden or the Al-Qaieda movement in fact Allied
action in that region is an excellent deception with the real target being
Pakistan's nuclear program or as is more commonly viewed by well connected
Washington DC circles, an Islamic Nuclear State is an anomaly which simply must
be put down at all costs. 2. It was well known beforehand that Allied action in
Afghanistan would de-stabilize Pakistan. Removal of the pro-American Musharraf
would give a sound rationale for the Allied forces already present in the
vicinity to take out Pakistan's nuclear plant and its various missile sites. An
Islamic Terrorist Nuclear threat would then be the reasoning applied to the
un-provoked and senseless attack, which would wipe out innumerable Muslim lives
in Pakistan. 3. The stage has already been set. News reports are being leaked by
10 Downing Street and Washington that Pakistan has given Osama Bin Laden the
nuclear bomb. The 3,800 deaths of innocent Afghan Muslims in the third week of
the Allied attacks and Madeline Albright's comments to CBS have made it
perfectly clear that no amount of human suffering or carnage of Muslims is to be
spared in reaching the Allied objective. If 500,000 Iraqi Muslim children were
mere fodder as per Ms. Albright, then by that reasoning no number of Muslim
lives lost is to be of any consequence, concern or value. 4. The Israel F-16s,
which had previously invaded Pakistani air space, were only intending to analyze
Pakistani military readiness and its response time. Working closely with India,
and aided by US and Russian spy satellites Israel believes it has pin pointed
the new locations of Pakistani Missile sites though it is still working on the
location of the nuclear facilities. Israeli and Indian agents under the guise of
locals have already accessed Pakistan and are now actively seeking the exact
site where the nuclear station is located. Pakistani Government attention is
being directed away from considering such threats by creating panic and
dissention by a wave of bomb attacks in various cities, including Karachi,
Sialkot, Lahore and instigating civil strife by pitting Shia Muslims and Sunni
Muslims against each other by rehearsing violent attacks on various Mosques and
political leaders. Ariel Sharon and Putin have made it emphatically clear that a
nuclear Pakistan is an extreme and immediate threat to the existence of Israel
and to the security of Europe, Russia and India. 5. Underground movement in
Saudi Arabia against the monarchy is now coming to a boil. A number of Princes
are in open revolt, while many more, including the King, have left the Kingdom
for Geneva, Switzerland and other European safe havens. 6. With a de-stabilized
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia in turmoil, the Allied troops intend to use this a
sufficient basis for eliminating Pakistan's nuclear program and weapons and
capture the Saudi Arabian oil un-challenged. Friendly Kuwaiti princes have
already been placed on notice that they may have to fill the Saudi leadership
void and play the puppet when the time arrives. 7. Israel clearly does not want
peace, as its actions are clearly evident of its intent. The idea is to
instigate violence by any means possible each time there is movement by the
Palestinians to comply with US demands of forcing a reduction in violence before
matters may be negotiated at the table, which then could be the stepping-stone
for a separate land for the Palestinians. A separate Palestinian state hinted by
Powell, riled the Jewish lobby in Washington to no end and it is an idea, which
will never go down well with any Jewish party, left or right. The final solution
for the Palestinians will be their elimination by a campaign of unprecedented
Israeli bombing and violence, in order to force the Palestinians to either move
to Jordan or Egypt or fill their graves in the occupied territories. When this
happens it is supposed to coincide with the Allied actions within Pakistan so as
to achieve multi-purpose objectives with one stroke. 8. Powell had better start
scanning the 'Help Wanted' adverts because his position will either be
eliminated or at best he will be sent off on gardening leave to write yet
another book and will no longer be making official appearances or comments
regarding the Allied action in Afghanistan or the Middle-East policy of the US.
The matter is that not only is he now at odds with Donald Rumsfield but his
recent statements on the issue of a separate homeland for the Palestinians have
now made him Public-Enemy number 1 as far as the Jewish lobby is concerned. Look
out for either his removal or move to relegate him to lesser jobs, which will
eventually phase him out from public view.
Muslim Group of Netherlands, The Netherlands
E-mail: Muslimthinktank@ttank.co.uk
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27.10.2001
Theme: Crusade of Muslims with the help of Muslims?
Dear Brothers & Sisters in Islam, Crusade of Muslims By
Jews, Christians &
Moderate Muslims The following news item picked up from the net has a very
dangerous message on the part played by President Musharraf on the issue of the
planned murder of Muslims in Afghanistan during the holy month of Ramadan. Quote:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/241001/dLAME05.asp
On Monday, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf called for the attacks on
Afghanistan to end before the start of Ramadan, which begins November 17. "It
should not have any effect on the campaign as such, but it may have some effects
in the Muslim world," Musharraf said. "So one would hope and wish that
this campaign comes to an end before the month of Ramadan. "And one would
hope for restraint during the month of Ramadan, because this would certainly
have some negative effects in the Muslim world," he added. Un-Quote It is
very clear from the above statement that, if not for the negative effects in the
Muslim world, Musharraf doesn’t mind the wanton attack and murder of
Muslims in Afghanistan during Ramadan. He did not fear Allah but fears that
American mission will be undermined. This clearly shows his wish to continue the
murder of Muslims during r Ramadan if not for the reaction of Muslims, which
qualifies him to the rank of a Kuffar, who is under the wrath of the Almighty
Allah. Allah has in no uncertain terms has condemned the killing of a single
Muslim. As per the narration of the Prophet (pbuh) if one kills a Muslim it is
equivalent to the killing of the Ummah. He is surely responsible for the death
of over a thousand starving civilians and destruction of their mud huts and the
country’s infra structure, for no reason other than trying to establish
Islamic sharia, the laws of Allah, in this land. Please note that America is yet
to prove the involvement of Osama & Taleban on the Sep. 11 th attack, and
majority of evidences lead to CIA & the Jews. Musharraf is definitely a
partner of the Jewish, American and British kuffar’s, plot in the
onslaught of Muslims in Afghanistan and all over the world. This crusade, as
mistakenly pronounced by President Bush, is a crusade against Islam with the
help of the Muslim leaders and rulers. Their agenda is quite clear. These kuffar
will destroy Afghanistan and then take over other key Islamic nations. Pakistan
is going to be the first one, whose nuclear arsenal are their priority. Under
the pretext of terrorist attack on the their nuclear facility Americans are
surely going to move those nuclear bombs to a safe place far away from
Pakistan, for “safe storage”, of course never to return. News media has
already indicated their intentions. More than the nuclear armory, the
danger of closing of the Mudrassas is very eminent. The schools where little
children are taught Islam is depicted by the westerners as places where
terrorists breed. They have learnt these from examples set by Turkey’s secular
Govt. who have banned children below 14 years from learning the Qur’an. Bush
said that he will dry out the “swamps”. Swamps are pools of water where
mosquito breeds and if these pools are dried out no mosquito can breed. In
Bush’s term these Mudrassas are the swamps and the children are the mosquitoes
or terrorists at grass root level. Musharraf, for a mere sum of US$ 379 Million,
turned his gun on his brothers who saved his country from the threat of Russians
after sacrificing a million lives. This money has been loaned to them with
“riba” which will surely be spent on controlling the anger of his own people,
whereby he will end up carrying a worthless burden of a loan repayment without a
benefit and at the same time he will have a bigger burden of accountability to
Allah. Afghanistan is surrounded by four Muslim nations, unfortunately all these
nations except Iran who prefers to stay neutral, have given their support
to kill their own brothers. All these nations stand answerable in the court of
Allah for their evil actions. Although the Muslims themselves joined the
Kuffar to plot and massacre the Muslims, what they forgot is that Allah too
plots and Allah is the best of plotters. Just read what Allah says in the
Glorious Qur,an, “Those before them did also plot (against Allah’s way), but
Allah took their structures from their foundations and the roof fell down on
them from above and the wrath seized them from directions they did not perceive.”
Q. Ch.16 v.26 Today the superpower America and the rest of the world, with all
their might is shamelessly bombing the poorest of countries in the world,
whose children are starving due to the sanctions imposed by these infidels and
years of drought. And this is the only country which had the courage to
implement little Sharia. Surely Allah will be merciful to them. This is indeed
similar to the sanctions imposed by the Quraish on the Prophet (pbuh) and
his companions in Mecca for three long years, for being “extremists” in
religion. Many died of hunger but ultimately for their patience and perseverance
they were rewarded with victory. When Rasoolullah took his people to fight the
Kuffar at the Battle of Badr, they had to decide between the “goods” in
Abusufiyan’s caravan or to fight a war against a large and powerful army and
the few “ill armed” Muslims (like the Afghans) decided to fight with all
odds against them, but Allah gave them a comprehensive victory. Unfortunately our Musharraf went for the “booty” not believing that Allah
can grant him victory if he did what our Prophet(pbuh) did. Today Musharraf and
his colleagues stand defeated and humiliated in front of the Muslims. May Allah
give His poor slaves a victory which will open the eyes of our cruel leaders.
Your Brother in Islam, From the land of Allah
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27.10.2001
Theme: Did the Russian secret service instigate
the war in Chechnya?
Did the Russian secret service instigate the war in Chechnya? Read this document:
http://www.angelfire.com/ab5/samataullah/chechnya.htm
or
http://www.crosswinds.net/~hindudharma/chechnya.htm
Samata Ullah, UK
E-mail: samataullah@aol.com
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27.10.2001
Theme: AUSTRALIA'S ALLIANCE WITH USA
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh I am a new Muslimah revert and
raise the question of Australia's alliance with USA and the ongoing strategic
attacks on Afghanistan as a consequence of S11. There is still no ACTUAL
evidence of Aghanistan and Osama bin Laden's involvement. ALL 'so-called' proofs
are socio-political constructions created by JEWISH CONTROLLED USA and fuelled
by MEDIA. Truly Allah is GREAT and it is He who is has pre-ordaiined ALL things- including outcomes.
The REAL issue is, "Are we living
according to Islam? Are we free from every bias that condemns others? Are
we prepared?" walaikum salam khadijah http://www.angelfire.com/va3/valleybrookeretreat/index.html
n_khadija@hotmail.com
khadijah, Australia
E-mail: n_khadija@hotmail.com
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27.10.2001
Theme: Ameriki Weak
All the propaganda about anthrax in USA is to divert people attention from the
failing WAR OF TERRORISM and I am afraid that it will be used to justify US use
of chemical weapons on Afghanistan. US knows very well that they cannot defeat
Afghan nation easily so they will resort to Chemical probably Nuclear weapons.
Why? USA needs to boost its economy desparately and cannot afford to loose a war
by medival mullas. this is big conspiracy and the main aim is to control China,
destroy Pakistan's nuclear capability and control Caspian Oil. The main leader
of this big game is Dick Cheney!! I had the feeling of this aggression few
months back when the economy of US was doing bad and the pattern of America is
rob other contry when they don't have money also its the same team which was
present during gulf war. So then defense misniter now a vice president, then
chief of staff is not secretary of state.... Without showing the proof to the
world means there something big cooking and out of the named hijackires
allegedly killed 3 are alive and lives in Saudi and one died 1 year ago. So how
should one trust the list provided by FBI. Today I read in news that one
pakistani who was detained has died of heart attack!!! Ameriki shame on you...
you killing innocents and you're showing power by arresting these poor
individuals. I think FBI should go and interrogate US vice prsident and Isreal
Mossad and I am very sure they will find the real culprits. Well my condolences
for all those innocent Americans who died and who are presecuted for the crime
they do not commit.
Human, swaziland
E-mail: human@world.net
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